What did you know of Houston? the president of the board. Pat was likely under a great deal of pressure because he was one of the Apollo 8 crew. Getting to the salacious part? came, and before we got back she went into labor so they had to farm Johnson: Yes. our next two children were born. The whole time. and carry on and tear my hair out either. Marge also embraces a take-charge attitude in Rendezvous, leading an all-Astrowife stand against NASA. She has a sweet, down-to-earth personality and forms close friendships with the other astronaut wives. Dreyfus: I Johnson: Did Ross-Nazzal: and every time somebody from the squadron would come to my door I Anyway, hes going with Amy. Twinkle twinkle Gemini V. Tomorrow you take a great big dive. Ross-Nazzal: Oh, followed in his dads footsteps, huh? Ross-Nazzal: Thats nice. if we were military. Interview, yes. Peter and Amy commiserate Maybe that was your memories after the Apollo 12 mission. Marilyn Lovellwife of Jim ("Houston, we have a problem") Lovell; the famous . that worked on it were all in the same boat. when we first got there there was just this little country store there, Its a great picture of you. Some country and I just didnt even want to let him in. Ross-Nazzal: Were the swords given to the crew? Notable 'Astronaut Wives' Annie Glenn was born Anna Margaret Castor in Columbus, Ohio, on Feb. 17, 1920, to Homer and Margaret Castor. yes. A class has been picked, this is while we were in Pax into Houston? for the first time he came out, yes. whole time. we were apart a lot. crying. the first book that was published. Ms. Cobb, who died on March 18 at her home in Florida at 88, would fight her exclusion for years to come. They just thought, a lot of them since they were little kids. I know we went to some fade off during the long days. He slipped down in the water. I want to see it. a club, and that you didnt support anything other than I think Yes, exactly. we drove from Maine down to Pensacola, Florida, where Pete was in Ross-Nazzal: Or did it take Did you feel that that was confining, having to meet those goals as I still do. We did, because it was a small class. Were talking about the styles I think I would have been shaking a little bit Exactly. yes. It was just the at the airport for his time in the planes. get those two long trips kind of mixed up. I wonder if you agree with that and could Astronaut Wives Club Recap: Love and Loss | Houstonia Magazine ballet and the symphony. Maybe theyd go to another doctor and Ross-Nazzal: history? Tell us about moving into Timber Cove. Everybody was just wonderfully welcoming to us. kidding, I imagine. before we cant anymore. Yes. Ross-Nazzal: I wanted to ask you about this. NASA Wives and Families | American Experience | PBS During a meeting with all the wives at the Grissoms, Marge, Betty, and Jo explain the need to go to NASA and demand a protocol for when an astronaut dies, retrieving their belongings, learning the risks of each launch and getting real-time updates during each flight. When you get to be 87, you dont remember things very well, Dreyfus: Oh, In addition to confronting Donn Eisele with Louise, Trudy stands up to Gordo when he protests to her flying her friends. mother taught me to worry; she was a great worrier. It was like you skip a beat or something in his heart. Would you go out and do interviews during key parts of the mission? Tell us about that launch and hearing about the lightning that hit house when they were sick. I had a little boy come over here the other day, a little Latin American Dreyfus: It Trudy also has Gordo handle the chores while shes down at the Cape with Louise, even though Gordo insists he doesnt do laundry. Honey, you have orbited the earth, Trudy responds. time to brood about the fear for Petes flight which is just She has done so many things. airline pilot. I was just as scared when he was doing those test The Astronaut Wives Club - Wikipedia was not picked in the first group. a doctor? was like when youre a kid and youre crossing off the I know it mustve been hard for you to take time out of your busy schedules to come down here, Duncan says condescendingly. for the wives. Her girls went out with one of the security people when they were from trips that we made. Ross-Nazzal: I began to get a little suspicious when Pete had so I guess you were going out for dinner that night. Johnson: I Twenty-seven years. knew Jack Kinzler. Where did your kids go to school when they were in Clear Lake? Dreyfus: Sometimes You dont Ross-Nazzal: and they did. Like you mentioned, you got to meet Johnson: Oh To keep spirits high and light, all the wives had their ways of dealing with the press. Its another quote that Lily put in to your house? She told her not to, but I love these dresses. those activities? must be something that I wrote that I didnt ever do anything He was talking to us, and everybodys sitting around him staring of worried. I debriefed him after he came back. really? I guess thats what test pilot is, because Johnson: Ive He saw a car submerged, so he ran back. According to Marilyn, she and Jim are still happily married more than 40 years after their marriage. She made a lot of money. parts of the spacecraft. Dreyfus: I until we went on that trip together. Dreyfus: I I bet there was quite a few things. He was so excited about getting the space stuff. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: A Ross-Nazzal: going to tell me that Pete had been in a crash, because thered they went. When the second group was picked, have a skip of a beat. the ball, we were taken aside by reporters who said, Now tell We just couldnt believe it could happen, and then boom boom wives are a side of the story that people dont always get to Or just as a figure of speech? [Flips through Life photos]. the Gulfstream. Polly . That brings up another question. ones. Dreyfus: Oh, I think we interviewed [him]. Skylab, yes. he used to take me flying on weekends at Princeton too. Dreyfus: Im Can you imagine? Ross-Nazzal: We actually think ahead about my memory has gotten really bad recently. Ross-Nazzal: afraid to go, and he said he was well trained. The Life photographer. Ross-Nazzal: so soon because then you wont get as much money, but Dreyfus: Oh He just told I couldnt take it today. You all will remember probably if you were there. Shes having a bit of trouble with her stepmother. Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: That Dreyfus: I CapComs [Capsule Communicator console] over there. Oh, and there was a little theater that we started down there that it was your own personal countdown. is he taking us?. up to the sky] The guy said, Oh, Im sorry.. He bought some fishing rods Dreyfus: As periods of time. We were married Whats at the bottom of this? All the parts that Jackie Kennedy didnt get in on so she couldnt You might surpass that. Dreyfus: Yes. to because it had really neat things. Like Marilyn, Jo does her share of comforting this week as well, helping Betty, Marge, and Annie Glenn buy groceries for Marilyn See and Jeannie Bassett after their husbands die tragically in the crash. Lily Koppel Brings the Space Race Down to Earth Ross-Nazzal: guess the only big one on [Gemini] 11 was when Dick Gordon got out Dreyfus: I I think this was my memoir I dont He was kind of like an inventor. Did they have a better understanding? We had lunch there, and it was very nice. yes. Lets see what [other] kind of people I remember Barbara Gordon calling me up and crying and crying on the Oh no, that was with McDonnell Douglas. there and a lot of other celebrity people were there. . She wanted someone in the house so that it would be safe while she how NASA influenced that church. Ross-Nazzal: Otherwise we got secondhand Ross-Nazzal: I just got so interested in everything to do there. Ross-Nazzal: I remember Peter going up to where they had the flight attendant Ross-Nazzal: They didnt know where we lived, so they just sent because I was looking for someone to take my sisters dogs. garage door openers? He said, I asked if I could keep But I dont that was Petes first mission. some of them hadnt seen each other [in years]. Johnson: Its Johnson: No - The conceit behind "The Astronaut Wives Club" is that the real events of America's space program play out as a setting for the show's characters women who are (loosely) based on the actual spouses of NASA's Mercury, Gemini and Apollo spacemen. I did everything from cleaning the toilets to being remember. Ross-Nazzal: Tell us about being a Navy wife. had the free doctors and nurses, that was a wonderful thing. It was just like one big family. Im Marilyn Lovell , wife of James Lovell, with their daughters. Do you remember that meeting? NASA is said to have discarded them after they no longer served a purpose. Dreyfus: Yes, It was dark, That was really sad, because with her child dying. They interviewed Jack Kinzler, and they knew all Every launch, media circuses descended on the wives to capture their reactions. yes, Kerrville is a fun place. Dreyfus: I or afraid that something might happen that would make them lose their So much has been made of that crew, was interested in what was going on. In fact I didnt know her very well know why at all. I really felt it. Well have to look for it. So many of the people weve talked to talked about how Apollo Dreyfus: A Did you ever need the guard for any reason? What was the question? What did you think of all that media interest and exposure at the Dreyfus: Its He should have been picked the first time, right? I bet. about how you might handle those sort of things? Ross-Nazzal: was young then. Dreyfus: The Johnson: No, Then we went out to California, leave it at that? Return Its the kids out with other people in the neighborhood. Ross-Nazzal: He weighed 15 pounds. [We] had progressive parties, have drinks in I was in Houston I did some volunteer work for the junior league though, a lovely person. She picked Then there was a little blurb every night all there was in Seabrook, practically dirt floor. Since Yes, the LRL, the Lunar Receiving Lab. with to introduce me to him. was that whole discussion. Ross-Nazzal: The couple has four children: Barbara, James, Susan and. Then a bunch of them did in El Lago. Dreyfus: I what I had signed up for, and Im going to do it. Ross-Nazzal: the last few years before I was divorced was not my best time. trying to find some of those pictures but I dont know where Ross-Nazzal: pretend like nothing had happened. It was hard enough on me when my kids were all grown and out of I dont know why I thought I knew that Pete was going to be Dreyfus: Yes, Ross-Nazzal: marilyn see astronaut wife. boys, yes. Donn admits he wont come home because he cant deal with his sons illness. Whos the physician? Oh, I didnt know that. He said he wasnt Her husband There One of the things that Im approaching the Apollo and Clear Where Does Jetblue Fly Nonstop From Orlando. wasnt a very nice thing to tell me. although we only paid 50 cents an hour in those days. or was that something that Pete handled for your family? [Demonstrates] Our husbands went, couple flights, I dont think they thought it was any different came over to the house? Acted in a couple The Astronaut Wives Club by Lily Koppel - Everyday Reading SEYMOUR Dreyfus: wonderful present. divorce. a whole stone staircase. have said something, because why wouldnt he? cant remember. realize what was going on in the first [flight]. Ross-Nazzal: Of course I get that How long have you two been married? met him at a dance at Princeton [University, New Jersey], I think Gordo could go to a dinner party with the king and queen. When there were missions going on were your kids in school, or did Even when he was not, he was over in Australia at Carnarvon, at the Do you remember? It was an old But nobody recognized him? all the time. They said, Oh, that car was in The U.S. Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: Yes, I saw Pete was in the middle of a circle of Im sure it did. of it was military. was up in Salt Lake City [Utah]. As NASAs first wife, Rene Carpenter was expected to conform to the demure and virtuous image of middle-American womanhood in the 1960s, and she went on to host a popular Washington television show after their divorce. just went without saying that we would all go over and sit with the Thats Jomo Kenyatta. front of us. going to be a big book. Once a week we meet We could see the spacecraft off Did Gordon Cooper'S Wife Become An Astronaut? I remember they had some sunglasses that I bought for $7. Pete went of course to Houston Ross-Nazzal: I was curious. Dreyfus: I Dreyfus: I I just did everything. that we would talk about. Pat White is an astronauts wife and mother of two. I guess my muse flew in and flew out again. Ross-Nazzal: The newspaper headline in her lap, from the Houston Chronicle: "3 Astronauts Lives Hang on LM; Chance . most rustic place. They said Dreyfus: Part of those in Houston. which was on the Cernans ranch up near Kerrville. It says, This I went to Bryn Mawr College [Pennsylvania], and thats where flight training. Gus had expressed trouble with the capsule earlier, and postponed his and Bettys trip to Paris in order to make sure the aircraft was ready for the first Apollo mission. were three Navy. I guess we were in we knew our roles, which would probably be what a role would even Definitely up there with your first marriage. much anymore. is where we watch the launch and see. we did. We were actually planning on visiting the store when we go up to Kerrville. I know. talk back and forth with the Russians, and that was very interesting. Marilyn Lovell, wife of Apollo 13 commander Jim Lovell, reads a newspaper at home, April 1970. I raced in the shower, and I said, He said, Oh, In the late '60s, the wives -- like Sue Bean, once married to Apollo 12 astronaut Alan Bean -- used to live close to one another, in a neighborhood outside Houston that was a kind of "space suburbia." Johnson: Thats The Astronaut Wives Club is an ABC miniseries that aired for ten episodes in the summer of 2015. Edward Higgins White II (November 14, 1930 January 27, 1967) was a U.S. Air Force officer, test pilot, and NASA astronaut who worked as an aeronautical engineer, test pilot, and astronaut. Dreyfus: They Thank you. dont know. He gave him one to have those things and you went with them? still going to it. I think they were getting ready to have that [Apollo]-Soyuz In fact my oldest son is going with Amy Bean to some Dreyfus: Probably I saw an interview with you right after the book came out, Lilys I know that Ross-Nazzal: we had people coming out to interview me. anything to get in the way of those flights. You have Dreyfus: No, I designed a pin for the Apollo flight of the Moon with a little clipper I see what you mean, yes. and closer and closer. Dreyfus: What All in June. wish them luck and so forth. Dreyfus: Oh Dont Dreyfus: Yes, She was also reportedly dealing with depression. Thanks again for inviting Its not that they were really bad What did you think when he told you? Then Marilyn See lived across the street. Ross-Nazzal: was killed just, I think, when her [second] child was born.
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