At the time Kennings had a garage in Edmonton which I remember was a Jaguar dealer so I imagine our old car hire site was the Jaguar dealer you recall and would most likely have also been a Kennings branch. Also why did they demolish whatever was there before? After the war he ran various bands Bert Harts band any combination. Later, I remember seeing my very first E Type Jaguar outside the shop with a number plate personalised JA number forgotten. I also loved the names of the park keepers you remember they just seem very appropriate somehow! I remember the mac shop. With the Winchmore Hill conservation area as a focal point, the district is bounded on the east by Green Lanes (the A105 road), Barrowell Green, Firs Lane and Fords Grove, and on the north-west by Grovelands Park; in the south it extends to part of Aldermans Hill, and in the north . My mum had a job doing tailoring above Burtons and in school holidays I had to go in with her some days. It was a super meeting place for a great crowd, all feeling very sophisticated drinking coffee from glass cups. I think that this garage was called Saul & Slatters a John Slatter who worked there, married my cousin Margaret Cantwell in 1962. I remember one of my friends falling into the river off the bridge and clambering out the other side after swimming under the bridge in the river current. Singing Tom used to give me all the flower heads to play with. I ad no spare cash for new comics in them daysdid you ever deliver the EagleIm payin 8.00 a copy for the good ones now.. My grandparents moved to Palmers Green in 1910. Do you mean `Tom the flower man at the Triangle next door to Woolworths? Annyway my best buy camera wise was a Thornton Pickard plate (Camera Craft) in original tweed hold-all includin tripod. The Beezaz was like a second home !! After the last chip was scoffed the owner would place in front of us a huge strawberry milkshake made with the soft ice cream they were known for, this shake was always served in a heavy fancy thick glass with a straw to slurp up the last visible clinging bubbles. I lived in New River Crescent. Little did we know when we saw Shirley Bassey at her first performance, that she would go on to become such a great star. Thank you for any help you can give Sylvia. I have very clear memories of it. Sylvia. The Roberts toyshop changed its name in the mid 70s to Zodiac if I remember correctly. Yes, definitely Tottenhall Rd, not Tottenham. My Aunty Jean used to make his partners costumes and lives in Princess Avenue. I knew of Joe performing at the Municipal Hall, Tottenham but he is not in our family tree. The walls were lined with painted tongued and grooved wood. Its great. Yes Bezazz coffee bar, went their most nights as well around 1964 onwards coffee, egg & chips, juke box, pinball machine, 3/6d last all night!..some faces Denis Day, Mick Stanton, Mick Smith, Dave Todd, Michael joannou, Michael De Bear,Wendy & Susan Smale, Laureen Blackwell, the cast goes on! In those days they called a spade a spade! I havent been back for many years but believe the Doms cafe is still there. Remember Roberts toy shop near the corner of Hazelwood Lane? Now retired living in Strawberry Hill. I manage to find scraped ice cream every now and then but nothing like the taste I remember. Steak Chips and peas 2/6p and the included bread and butter, Joy's memories of Palmers Green My family, all three of us, moved to Palmers Green from Haringay in 1936 when I was five years old. Intimate Memories: The History of the Intimate Theatre, Palmers Green Paperback - 30 Nov. 2006 by Geoff Bowden (Author) 4 ratings See all formats and editions Paperback 50.00 3 Used from 49.90 1 Collectible from 22.99 Print length 213 pages Language English Publisher Badger Press Publication date 30 Nov. 2006 ISBN-10 0952607638 ISBN-13 You just came up in conversation and I Googled you. Mum was Pool Attendant at Barrowell Green but we still had to join those long queues to get in..so long a waitso full had to wait as Mrs. Barry only allowed the extras in as people left. As she asked for opera top petticoats and long legged knickers the woman behind the counter would operate the very cleaver drawers lining the walls holding the goods. Some are specific others generic. I remember my Nan going I to Tescos on Green Lane and used to run around Brookfield park and go into the burned down museum with the bees and the art work. All had presentsmine was miniature guitarwere you at that party? The garage was Saul and Slatter Ltd. Yes Bob good memory, striking looking car, my MK 3 Cortina was yellow with black vinyl roof, which was unfortunately mostly removed by a group of baboons at Whipsnade safari park during a warm summer in the 70s, I believe the place has now closed. And talk of the Beezazwe had the Two Bare Feet coffee bar in Winchesterif you could get past Sgt. I remember we got a TV from Stanwood Radio and remember the tiny shop on alderman shill that had wood showing decay in the window. Annyone remember that great Destroyer model opposite the counter in J&As, is it still cutttin the seas in defence of our Realm? People were lying everywhere because a bus had been crushed, and there had been a dance going on in the hall above Pitmans College which had been bombed. Other fine dinin hexperiences in dear ol Palmers Greengeograffical-wise goin east. Nice to hear from you. Some good times at Arnos. Lived in New River Crescent during 60s and 70s. Can anyone remember the Bamboo coffee bar in Bowes Rd, cant find any history of the place or photos. Some of the musicians achieved International fame (not meI was on drums) . The following year came a new head Mrs Cannon in 1968 I went up into the juniors and the head there was Mrs Gibbs . Can you imagine leaving two young children in a caf now, you would probably get a visit from Social Services. Those were the days. I started at Hazelwood school infants in 1965 and I remember the head Mrs Hughes in my first year. . My name is John Bye, I dont know if you remember me. However, you might ave missed as Waitrose now sez ere in Cornywall.Hazelwood Lane an the Pilgrims Rest (maitred, a Swiss gentlemanlater to command The Cherry Tree on Southgate Green) tho never done it better than Pilgrims in my an my Patricias opinionOther Cafes in Lunnon Town.. Savoy, Carlton Towers, The White House, Tante Clair etc..an them Cafes in Bray, Berks, dont make it in my list but that MacDonalds (you know, the one just across the road from Valencia (Espagne?) Sue Beard, who runs the Palmers Green Jewel in the North website, has discovered a 15-minute film about Grouts , the former Palmers Green emporium of tea towels, socks, knickers and corsetry that brought a glimpse of pre-WW2 (and even pre-WW1) shopping into the 21st Century. Yes, and the gas fire which hissed and stuttered. Once upon a time in Palmers Green by Alan Dumayne 1988; Fond memories of Winchmore Hill by Alan Dumayne 1990; Semi-detached London, Suburban Development, Life and . The garage was, or became Kennings opposite Camera Craft. We have new and used copies available, in 1 editions - starting at $50.53. Once purchased the items would be carefully wrapped in brown paper and tied with string before the exciting moment (for me anyway) of paying. Its a hazy memory but I do remember buying a basket for my school books (they were the in thing then) It was a glorious place to live as a child. Bruno would leave the bar at 9.30pm each night, snooker cue in hand and walk to the Cock Tavern for several beers & a few games of snooker. I know Pete and Bill Starling locally, not related though. Patricia loved the picturesbut for me the sing along organ player at Capitol Winchmor ill.. why did we did disagree occasion like.ladies may comment, no rush. Does anyone happen to know? OK sorry Lorna, but just thought the name being similar and all that. He has also now retired and the surgery has now moved nearer to the roundabout at W.Hill next to the petrol station. I recall Miss Gibbs as having a scary face she had pictures of the Beatles up in the corridors and wore rather wayout clothes. Dear Ken. Dobbin fell over on the slope below the New river bridge in Hazelwood Lane when the road was very icy one winter and we all rushed out with buckets of cinders to spread over the road so the horse to get e grip and get back on its feet, luckily no harm was done and the milk was just a bit late being delivered that day. Yes.thats where I learnt to swim. To be one of the first Irish or Greek families to settle in the area? I studied at Southgate County 1946-1950. Ta. We lived in Hamilton Crescent and the kids played in the Rec but it was short for Recreation Ground.lol. Annyway back to Patricia (and her Ma), they worshipped Grouts and in my stores upstairs I ave loads oGrouts stuff and the 60s lectric Singer sewing machine kept ready an oiled like for my grandaughter (6) and er new baby sister comin October. Wonderful. Do you John manses I use to buy my records in the 70s and 80s, Lived in Palmers Green from 1966 to 1987. This marked the spot where lorries slowed, changed gear to ascend New River bridge and I would grab a tailboard chain and be towed up and up Bourne Hill by a Foden on my bicycle (not the Rudge yet) to St. Georges Road and peel off easily to Southgate County School in Fox Lane. The chemist at the top of Hazelwood Lane was called Cross & Herbert. I also used to enjoy swimming lessons and free practice twice per week at the schools Arnos Grove Swimming pool is that still a local schools facility? Miss Bellefontaine was the head teacher at Hazelwood Infants school during the forties, I know as I attended that school. Nothing wrong in that!..seems the 50s 60s & 70s had a lot going for them, I look at kids today and think theyve missed the best bits! Remember the barbers shop. Okay Pennie. Opposite Grouts well almost. Are you skating on thin ice already in the Netherlands? Reg I remember you from St Michaels at Bowes, I recall you had a interest in meteorology, and went on to Arnos School ans I went to Winchmore Hill Secondary. Me and my two brothers been discussing the dept store at the triangle but didnt think it was Evans & Davies at that time . The ford zepher was back in the 60s it would have been the 70s in PG. I lived in New River Crescent 1950, 60s and 70s. Obviously at that time, there werent many shops selling fresh coffee let alone grinding it on the premises. I also remember Vic Madden the window cleaner. Penny for the Guy! N21. Im impressed. She ated the chairs and the oover and most else e lovingly carried ome. Life is very different now and this great website has brought back lots of lovely memories for me. )(i am yet to be convinced I wos wrong). His house and grounds backed onto the new river on the opposite bank to ours which was in Lynbridge gardens. She was a lovely lady; then onto Junior school run by Miss Belfontaine, who was a bit of a demon but very good at her job. Conway park and blagdens lane were my playground when the old rubbish dump was behind the stables a goldmine of wartime and Victorian memorabilia. Inside, the shop was very long with a back section which you rarely ventured into, mainly sheets and towels and net curtaining, Down the middle of the shop, arranged on chairs were tatty cardboard boxes holding items like socks, childs vests etcspecial offers, I guess! I lived in Conway Road all of my early life from 1944 to 1968 when I emigrated to Canada. Can u help??!! Palmers Green is often nicknamed 'Palmers Greek' or 'Little Cyprus' because of the many Greek, Cypriot and Turkish immigrants who have made this bustling enclave of north London their home. Winchmore Hill is a suburb and electoral ward in the Borough of Enfield, North London, in the N21 postal district. In 1914 he was commissioned into the Middlesex Regiment as a 2nd Lieutenant and was killed on 1st July 1916 at the Somme. I left in 1986 as a Grocery Manager. I have written up many of my memories.. Hello Roger. Magic for post-war Palmers Green teenagers. Does any one remember the fever hospital in this rd? Wonder what happened to him, I would love to know. Lorna, I now have an ad for Jays Stores Surrey branches, a 1952 invoice from Palmers Green branch and a photo of their location, adjacent to Spencer Avenue, posted on my page. In 1876 Palmers Green was described as "a little gathering of houses on the road to Enfield", despite the opening of a new railway line from Wood Green to Palmers Green, Winchmore Hill and Enfield in 1871. . I also, an geography class at Southgate County Fox Lane Please Miss! I then went to Lorna, is it possible the furniture store you refer to was Ways? Hi Jenny, slightly different location, a bomb did fall near the intersection of Green Lanes & Bowes Rd/N.C.Rd opposite Princes Ave. People were killed and the site was eventually leased by two brothers and used a a used car lot space called Keith Cars until the late 70s. We met at Bowes Road School Tuesday evenings and learnt first aid, home nursing, drill, lots of things. It is open on Sunday afternoons from 2.00 to 4.30pm Model Boating Pond The Model Boating Pond was dug in 1903, shortly after the opening of the Park. The Prisoners were building the estate up to Ash Grove. Mum rode her bike to Tottenhall Road to care for patients in the old fever hospital. The front half was a sweet shop and there was hair all over the floor, The old buzzard who cut the hair used to ask for a tip. I dont remember the Rubber Mac ShopMa made me buy my Mac (Grey Gabberdine, de reguer worn over the right arm when hescortin the ladies (no rain at the wrong time in them pre global warmin days) but de reguer in Broomfield or Grovelands Park to spread for the ladies (Sir Walter Raaly like etc)) from Fifty Shillin Tailors? Miss Bellefontaine was head of junior school. One in Tottenhall Rd, Drakes at The Cambridge roundabout & at the Triangle, another at Empire Parade and Dewhurst in Green Lanes opp Tottenhall Rd. Good Morning America is still very much interested in doing further fake degree segments. Remember the Windsor Caf. Palmers Green, Greater London Old Photos, Historic Maps, Local History Books and Memories of Palmers Green Frith photos prompt happy memories of our personal history, so enjoy this trip down memory lane with our old photos, historic maps, local history books, and memories of Palmers Green. In the last few years Windsor Rd closed and we had to go to W Hill. Possibly during WW2 it was requisitioned for war work. Barrowell Green pool was always on the cards in the summer! Dr Baxter used some of the rooms for his surgery and, I would imagine, must have lived there in the rest of the house. Both my cousin and I remember the shop and the smell but not the name of it. Memories: You can, and others, can share memories at the bottom of the page including photos and stories; Donations: . Do you remember a bus that got his by a bomb during the war as no one seems to have any photos or accounts about this. Sylvia , there was a WW2 bombsite at the corner of Sidney Ave/Green Lanes near Bowes Rd it was used in the 50/60/70s as a car yard called Kieth Cars, no longer live in PG so not sure what stands there today. Dads brother, Uncle Sid Rann lived at no 22. Everytime I see Shirley Bassey, I remember Tom; for he gave 2 tickets to my friend Chris West, who worked in Woolworths (me at Evans & Davies, at 16 years of age) for the London Palladium. I am Geoffreys sister Carole. She was young and trendyin fact I saw her once in the old HMV shop in Wood Green buying a Yes album ! Sad as I am, I have just had a look on Google maps and as of August 2014, there was still a Doms offering Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner no mention of ice cream though! We lived in Sidney Avenue from 1952 until 1961. I had some really good teachers and friends I missed a lot when we moved. No this barbers was near Janes and Adams Electrical shop and also bicycle shop. Do you remember the Toy shop opposite too? He was very tall, very Scottish and prescribed bottles of Minadex (green and foul tasting) for almost all childhood ailments! If notat last space for my clockwerk trainset (O guageTrix or Bing(not Hornby? Our Joe Hart lived in edge Lane opposite Doc. The farmhouse was built in 1720 by a Mrs Childs. She showed us the brick steps built under the ground floor windows. It is managed by a group of volunteers. It was called Lawleys I believe. I grew up in New River Crescent during the 1960s. Then for a short while it was a Menswear shop that sold high end suits, shoes etc. I dont remember you should I? Then out agin on bike round to Patricias house and on to Capitol Winchmore Hill (if in money) or Queens, Palmers Green. What about the lovely pantos at the Intimate theatre. You even remember the prices! What about the old corn merchant on the corner of Osborne Road and the tiny sweetshop nextdoor! Hi Christine. I have lots of childhood memories about Palmers Green Railway Station. Which one is it?? and the old St Pauls hall that had the live groups there!Great times and we didnt have any booze either.good memories!! Happy memories of Greenwood Gate Tennis Club in the Rec too, circa 1959 1963. So back ome goin West? Yes, remember it as Roberts. He was very stern and terrified me! She and my Father were married at Palmers Green in 1935. Remember Reg Hart who has posted here- he was interested in meteorology back then. Regards David. The price stickers rather than bar codesThe staff cafeteria the bag searches as you left the building after a shift etc etc. Hi Gerry, I,m not sure but you could well be right as I do not remember any other type of restaurant there, Regards Brian. Sadly the open air pool no longer exists, I believe it has been replaced by our Council recycling centre on that site. Hi Normathese Palmers Green Memories are great, eh? Definitely around 1958 when Bezazz opened: frothy coffee in tiny glass cups. Since the fake University of Palmers Green didn't come into existence until 1998, the good doctor is not only using two fake degrees, he is lying about when he got them! I remember the coffee shop in the 1960s as a child. Regards, Brian Watling. On the corner of Aldermans Hill and Devonshire Gdns was the United Dairies shop. Just request to join and add your own memories and photos. They were great times at that school but I then left at 11 to go to Ambrose Fleming Technical Grammar School for boys, what an awful place, hated every minute and left at 15. (When I was a boy is banned in daylight hours this family). The name Bezazz brings back happy memories of the late 50s and early 60s. There were something over 50 people killed as the dance had just ended and many had left the dance hall to get buses in Green Lanes. Clock out 5.30 pm and ride home. He also made excellent onion omelettes. Annyway she sees the ambience of Palmers Greenery so later Dad as to buy a property to satisfy er haspirations Palmer Green wise N14annyway my Palmers Green is Jewell in Crown (I am salutin you er Majesty) no rushkeep crackin on, eh? although i dont remember it having a cafe, maybe it did before my time though. weve already ad enough laughs for the day over your conviction that The Sahara Desert is in the middle of Australia. Hi Gerry, Im nearly retired and living in Australia, you may remember my father Aubrey Todd who ran Kelvin Photos. I lived in Windsor Road from 1965 to 1970 and I remember a sweet shop called The Windsor we always called it the red shop as the front was painted red. Your change would come whizzing back in the rather splendid looking canisters. Happy days playing in the yard out back. I think that he worked on the railways. Image supplied by Enfield Local Studies and Archive. The Fox has a number of accolades. So my boyhood dreams finally became reality! This isnt the place to get involved in that discussion so Ill just say that changes arent always for the best! One old lady lost her life in the fire. My family name was Church but we have moved away now. Hallo Raymond, Wondered whether or not your father was Fred Rann who used to go to the Fives Club? Train Station (not the new International Train Hestacion) (tho the coffee an croissants is worth a go ere (ambience etc)) Soits between Palmers Green Pilgrims (overalls, ambience) etc., Valencia, McDonalds (frys) and Sgt Craven (Army Caterin Corps) attached Rifle Brigade (Winchester)Savoury Mincenow for Lamb Chops a la Remoska at Colebrook Cornywall. The adults who gave their time for us were great people! Hi Victoria, I remember the milkman well, his horse was called Dobbin and Mum used to get me running out in the road with a bucket and shovel if he dropped his business near us so it would be good for the roses in her garden. I remember that day vividly as, just as the tv was made to work, on the screen we were just in time to see the Boat Race with Oxford sinking up to their waists in water. Annyway Mike Ovenden was our form springboard expert at both Barrowell and Arnos Grovetho I seem to remember that Jackie Brown at the Pool was overall open diving champion. James what year were you at Ambrose Fleming , I was there from when it first opened in 1962 [ I think ] until 1965 . Michael do you remember Mr Forkin at St. Michaels school Tottenhall Rd.arranging a boxing ring with proper gloves in the playground afternoon break with you & Everett Houghton as contenders? I also remember Burtons at the triangle and having a girl friend who lived in Tottenham road and the estate agents around Doms cafe including Dennis, Maxwell Miel who had a reg. Brody & HICKS camera shop was started by me Gerry Hicks Im now retitred living in Cockfosters. I was born at 7 Oakthorpe Rd, PG in 1944 and moved to East Anglia in 1971. In the summer we sold ex Wimbledon tennis balls. So many happy memories. Later, they raised us four kids in York Road. After several meetings of our Catchreeling Society, girls were allowed to participate. I used to go to the Devonshire Cafe for dinner, not everyday but quite a few times, we would take the dinner back to the station, then return the empty plates all washed. You walked up a long gravel path under the pergola to get to the house which had dark wooden panelling etc., very posh! He retired in about 1956 when I was 11 and the house was demolished after that and the land must have been sold to a developer who built the maisonettes. A group of Palmers Green residents, in association with Friends of Broomfield Park, are planning to open a small, not-for-profit Community Cafe in a disused building in Broomfield Park. February Edition Issue 12. [10] very posh! Annyway I have told already of my Mum on this lovely chat previous, being part-time life saver and attendant at THE POOL, she could not swim a stroke. Further down , a few doors from the Fox was a confectioner called J.Vercoe. You might remember the Saturday boy who wrote the window tickets and went on to be a successful photographer in the eighties. I wonder if anyone out there can help with a memory? no NHS .no grudgis but years go on this tripe celebration with fireworks still upsets loads o animals for a month (even pets let alone them foxis an badgers) annually..Annyway ice cream an jellys under a glass case (repro) at the Ritz cinema 1943 in Leyton (before the doodle bugs) but nil else at the Odeon Southgate (2/9 for the best seats and icis (extra) in the interval (with my wife 1959). It is now a tyre suppliers and fitters. yes recall them well. I think Myrtle Road was built in 1950, is that right? Annyway after ostilities e also gigged (very fashionable nowadays, eh?) A man who was the spitting image of Reginald Varney (On the Buses fame} served behind the counter. Im sure Fred Rain lived in the Larches. A few doors away was a grocers shop called Crows. For Palmers Green to have a department store, two cinemas and no betting shops or nail bars? New River Crescent was bisected at the foot of Park Avenue. So my story really jumps forward to 1944. 'The Palmers Greenery' will serve locally-sourced, fresh, healthy and affordable drinks and snacks, and will be staffed by volunteers from the community. Dordrecht, Netherlands !.thank you for jogging my memory. Celia Rutterford, Thanks so much for your reply I havent lived in Palmers Green since the late 60.s and loved living there.so many memories and so much fun again thanks. There were a couple of shops where fresh coffee was roasted and ground. The reference to Palmers Green was prompted by the fact that Trouble had split up with his girlfriend and was at a party thrown by his friend Charles "Charlie Farley" Hallinan near The Fox, Palmers Green. Yore Dad probably employed my Dad (as a freelance) their musical doins seems to ave run parallels. And a bycycle from J&A (Rudge) set me free on those open roads, YHA and the romances. She must have been quite young then (unless it was a different Miss Hughes), but then young children think anyone over 20 is old. & knickers etc. It was never built on, apart from a temporary building. I still hanker for an ice cream like Doms scraped onto a cornet with a spatula not scooped! I think it was called Harvey Sports (a friend of mine had a Saturday job there) & next door was a fabric shop called Metres which sold everything from net curtains to dress fabrics and upholstery materials, The couple who ran it were very kind & patient working our how much material you needed for your windows etc. Visiting Palmers Green Walkfo Preview Palmers Green is located 8 miles (13 km) north of Charing Cross. The Fox stands in a prominent position on the corner of Green Lanes and its namesake, Fox Lane. Wishin you Happy New Year! Also in Aldermans Hill was a butcher called Drakes and the Gas Company with the Electricity Co round near the current McDonalds in Lodge Drive. Where do you live now? Mr. Pratt was very critical of my dovetail jointing but roped me in scenery building for the annual Gilbert and Sullivan Operas as did Miss Green, Art, for paintings. An elderly man worked there and a younger surely man. I must have been about 5 or 6. Amazing to find others to share memories with from those times. Palmers green life feb14 final. Truly some of the best times of my life in Palmers Green. I have fond memories of Palmers Green, as I worked at the station from aged 15 in 1963 till 1968. Going back a bit who used to run up Fox Lane, stand on the bridge and wait to be covered in steam from the trains . Has any reader furniture in use purchased from Allen & Appleyards at 362 Green Lanes, replacing Kiltycakes Cafe next to the still existing post office? A hardware emporium and a very old fashioned (even then) gift/tobacco /sweet shop toward the end of the parade. Now Mr Shepherd, Im afraid that a majority were not keen,malthough you must speak as you find. Yes, Dave, I knew Vic Madden by sight only, in the early 60s. Hello Christine, I do remember the china and glass shop which I went in with my Mother to buy any special gifts for people. Can you remember the name of it? I was born 1935 in Clapton E. Clapton Mothers Home, but my Mum was born in 1917, er Mum born in St. Pancras Workhouse (next to St. Pancras Station Lunnon) of them days.,Mum went to skool in Islington of very poor (financial m,barrased) parents (both boxmakers on the premises)annyway er memories included bein sent from er classroom in Islington with a friend as escort on the tram to Ulleswater Road, Palmers Green, becos er teacher ad left certain documents behind (or wassit sanwiches (any teacher memories ere?). different ways by which society and culture shape the self,